Client Spotlight: 1,000 Days Alcohol Free With Nicole

Hey friends, today’s episode is extra special—I’m sitting down with Nicole, a former client and now a true inspiration, as she celebrates an incredible milestone: 1,000 days alcohol-free! 

We get real about the ups and downs of her sobriety journey, the grit it took to keep going, and how life has changed in ways she never expected. Nicole opens up about the challenges, the small (and big) wins, and what it really means to make alcohol irrelevant in your life. I

f you’ve ever struggled with drinking, felt overwhelmed by life’s demands, or wondered if lasting change is possible, this conversation is for you. I’m so grateful Nicole was willing to share her story so honestly—I know you’ll walk away feeling encouraged and less alone. Let’s dive in!

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Transcript

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Welcome back to the show, Thank you so much for being here for another episode. Today is a very special episode couldn't be more honored. We have Nicole on the show. Nicole is a client of mine, from several years back and she agreed to come on the show because she is celebrating a huge milestone of her one comma, one comma club journey of sobriety, which means a thousand days of alcohol freedom in a row.

Although I do wanna talk about this 'cause I know that she's been on the path of alcohol freedom for longer than that, and now it's more than a thousand days. Nicole, thank you so much. Congratulations and welcome to the show. Thank you, Mary. I credit a lot of that to you. Yeah, I, you, everyone that comes here, I wanna reflect back to you what's possible.

that's what the mission is here, is I wouldn't be here if I didn't believe every single person that shows up here, and that's listening to the show, that it was possible for them to make [00:01:00] alcohol irrelevant and move beyond it. yes, this is such a huge milestone. But first I always to start my interview is asking what are you current?

this is a huge celebration, but what else, what are you currently celebrating in your life? What feels it's working for you? in relation to alcohol, coming in, coming up in October is actually three years. that, of course, I do track my milestones. I don't track the day to day, which is something that you had said in the beginning.

You don't have to track days. of course I celebrate the milestones. work-wise, I'm opening myself up to some new partnerships, hopefully in the future. Yes. It's amazing. Yeah. And I think that it is important to celebrate ourselves, right? That's one of the five shifts is celebration versus isolation, and that's why you're here.

what do you think you're most proud of, of this journey when you look back? I think having grit is one of those, well-earned characteristics of people. And as a parent, I question whether I'm [00:02:00] doing the right. Thing with my teaching grit because kids don't have to have as much delayed satisfaction today.

Hmm. And the other day I ran into my sister's neighbor and we were joking about what strong independent women, my si sisters and I parents raised us to be that way. So when it came to alcohol, and I'm gonna get honest on this podcast, 

it took that grit to keep finally get over the hump and not drink. And now it seems easy, but I know people going through the hard part and it was hard work.

Absolutely. what do you wanna say? what does you about the process of quitting drinking, that, that it did take 

how do you feel about that was thinking about this a lot because when I have a milestone coming up, I always wanna write something when I post about it.

I'm a thinker, so I'm always up in my head thinking about drinking and the process. A lot of people go through programs like AA that says you are perilous over alcohol. A lot of the programs want you in and continuing to be a part of it. [00:03:00] For years, I feel like once I finally figured out that alcohol is irrelevant for me, I don't live there.

Right. So it's not something I think about a lot. 

what were you committing to? I do remember you asking me to clarify what it was I wanted. I did not know what I wanted.

Right. I was committed to trying to see the longer vision. What I wanted was to be thin, if I'm being honest. a little bit of vanity as I aged and I drank. those two things don't go together because you get the fuck its, then you're eating cookies at night. Even after one drink.

parenting was huge. What kind of parent did I wanna show up to be as my kids aged, exercise, trying new things, having organized cabinets. It's all the small things and the big picture things. I was committing to getting clear on what I wanted when I had no clue. it was your values.

that's one of the things that makes sense. we created a life intention and if we didn't, we should still do it. one of the things we do here is [00:04:00] create a life intention. And it's getting clear on the values that are important to you, which is pretty much what you highlighted.

And when you start to make decisions from that place, things become a little bit easier. But sometimes, Nicole, that's the thing, we don't sometimes as adults, talk about values when we're younger, but we go through the motions and then you're 40 years old and it's what are my values?

You don't even know. And there's nothing, that's the whole point. That's the whole point of this process is this is about getting clear, this is about figuring it out. And I do think, a 365 day cycle I work with my clients. for a year. Some of it's written coaching, some of it's in person, but I like to have contact with 'em for a year because we're going through different seasons, different milestones, different phases, and all of those things are gonna have different circumstances.

tell us a little bit, let's go backwards a little bit.

'cause I think it's important for people to have a connection to your [00:05:00] journey. when did drinking start, what did it look like? How did it, escalate 

I would say somewhere around drinking probably around 16.

And by 18 I was full blown drinking and partying. By 21. I was kind of, done with it. on my 21st birthday, I wasn't at a bar hoot and hollering. I had already done a shit ton of drinking.

I spent the twenties doing the typical drinking weekend warrior definitely a way my husband and I connected. up or when we got together, was all about drinking and partying.

Um, fast forward to 30 when I had my first child and I drank so much o' duals. Hopefully that doesn't hurt him. But looking back, it's like that should have been an indication that maybe I was drinking too much as I was drinking a lot of o' duals during that pregnancy. By my second pregnancy. Um, afterwards I kind of got in better shape.

I started running races towards the end of my thirties and I was feeling great. I was able to [00:06:00] do 30 days healthy eating, no drinking, but then the pandemic hit. Mm-hmm. 

wasn't feeling good when I was drinking. Mm-hmm. the pandemic, I worked more than I've ever worked in my life.

I was still coming home every night to deal with the stress of my kids not being in school.

My phone ran off the hook by having a cocktail from seven to nine pretty much every night. 

forced that forced me to Google alcohol coach, which is how I, uh, stumbled upon you. And I reached out. Um, and yeah, the rest, I would say 2020, it must have been when we worked together maybe 20, 21. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So 2021, I worked with you for six months. I extended it to a year. 

It took me joining a couple other groups, um, like challenges. I read every sobriety book under the sun. I listened to a million podcasts, including yours, just thinking about it. Mm-hmm. All of 20 19, 20 20, 20 21. And I believe it was [00:07:00] 2022. In the beginning of the year. I got like a couple months under my belt, just under three months, like around 76 days.

I had a wedding in Aruba, so that crashed and burned. But by that fall I did a 90 day challenge. And for me that was it. all the work I had done leading up to it. Finally getting the 90 days that is hard to get to even occasional drinkers, but that's where the magic happens.

And that's why quit quitting and having, even having 90 days and even then having a drink, you don't lose those beliefs that you stacked. Right, right. true. what were you, what do you think were some of the, what was the work you were doing in that time? in your words 

Before you had that 90 days. for me, reading was big, reading other people's stories and journeys. doing a few challenges. it used to be called waddle. We are the luckiest, now it's the luckiest club. I joined some of their challenges. [00:08:00] Coaching with you every single Sunday, whether I felt shameful or not showing up, and practicing not drinking.

as you mentioned, it's the practice. with your help, I went to a Red Sox game sober, and by the end of the night when I looked around at everyone, I was oh God, everyone is shit faced. How are all these people getting home? practicing. Yeah. It's horrifying. Dan and I went to a concert, Saturday night, and when you look around at everyone, it's quite terrifying, 

Don't go on the roads at 1:00 AM when sports events or concerts are getting out because there is a lot of Intoxicated people that should not be behind the wheel. especially practicing these small things. when the first year. my husband, he was losing his drinking buddy, Friday nights he'd be Nicole, let me make you a margarita.

And I'd have to be Dan, I'm serious about this. I'm working with the coach. I don't want a margarita. But those old habits, we've been together for 20 something years, That was a habit of relaxing on a Friday night. We didn't drink all week, [00:09:00] but let's have a cocktail and, kick back.

And that's fine for him still, but that was not working for me. I would say the practice of not drinking is huge and having a plan. one thing I wanted to add is you not only helped me change my thinking about drinking, but during that time I was overwhelmed in the pandemic with work.

with. The schools being closed, I couldn't handle the stress. And one thing that you told me then was, Nicole, when your phone rings Saturday night at seven, and again Sunday morning at nine, and then Sunday at 11 seven days a week for over a year, I worked nonstop.

I had to start to say out loud, this is not a problem. And that has stuck with me all these years. Mary, 

how do I change how I think about them into something positive? Yes. And embodiment. I didn't even know what that was until I met you. you had a huge backpack as you call it, of a lifelong yogi where I was dabbled in and out of doing yoga.

I [00:10:00] like the laying down breathing yoga rather than the hard stretching poses. Yoga. Yoga Nira is my favorite. me too. but I didn't have very good embodiment practices, breathing practices, self-care practices. all of those things were things I had to learn in practice. 

So how would you describe embodiment to our audience if they don't know what that means or for you anyway? a long inhale and then another short inhale.

And it's proving scientifically to get you back to center. whether we are thinking about something and it's almost floating outside of your body, you're thinking and stressing and we're not grounded. I would say the shortest version would be to be grounded. 

Whether it's outside standing in the grass and breathing. 

And that's the holistic approach that we take too, is when you're having an urge. Talk to me a little bit about that. what what were the tools that you used for your, it's Friday night, your husband's asking you for a margarita. Oh man. and [00:11:00] if you are, you're feeling sensations in your body, but the typical response is to start going in your head freaking out.

Do I don't, I do. I don't I. You have that mental tug of war. But there's this moment where you have to shift. So what does that look like? I do remember you sending me a little bottle of oil and you're put it on and take five deep breaths in the bathroom. You were trying your damn best to teach me embodiment.

Yeah. The oil. when the urges would come up, I would try to play it forward.

That's another sobriety thing. I would try to, take the five breaths. I would say one of the biggest things that you provided that was helpful was thinking in advance. Friday night it's gonna come up. Yes. What are you gonna think about it? practicing it ahead of time. Yes.

on Friday night when Dan asked me for a cocktail, I'm going to say, no, I don't wanna, I wanna feel great Saturday 'cause I have X, Y, and Z to do. Yep. 

Yeah. Yeah. that's this idea of deciding ahead of time, deciding ahead of time in alignment with your values, you have this value of, [00:12:00] I wanna, I know you would go walk the lake wanted to take advantage of your weekends, take advantage of your time, take advantage of the time with the kids being present.

And we start to focus on not, I don't wanna feel like shit, but I wanna feel good doing these things. And I think coming back to the thought, if you guys take anything away from the show, it's not a problem. It's not a problem that Dan's drinking. It's not even a problem that I'm having an urge right now.

It's a sensation in my body. And these things take time. 

drinking two days a week compared to seven, that's a huge celebration.

You know what I mean? And then eventually it's like, why am I even doing this? Exactly. That's exactly what happens. You get sick of not feeling well on the limited times you drink. It's not worth it. easy. That's why it's easy now. I do not live white knuckle. I could have a drink if I want to.

I know the results of that doesn't work for me. 

No. So tell us about some beliefs that you had about alcohol that, your [00:13:00] fears, that you had before when you were drinking and fears that you had. I can say, and this is great for everyone to hear, who has not started their journey to analyzing their relationship with alcohol, that it was impossible to not drink.

Yes. I did not believe I could not drink. 

I did not believe that I could have fun without it. I did not believe I could be outgoing without it. I didn't believe I could go to networking events without it. did not believe life without alcohol was possible for me.

that was a strong belief. obviously now I know that's not true because. The what you ultimately want to have and the belief you want to have is that alcohol is irrelevant to me. And I didn't believe that was possible either. I'm here to tell you all it is 100% possible.

It is irrelevant. 

Correct. Fear. Mary, I remember saying to you, during the coaching, if you found out you were deathly ill, wouldn't you go on a bender? And you were no, Nicole.

that is literally what it means to be irrelevant. 

that's the thing. it's not for you, [00:14:00] but we get it. That's why we're here sharing this. 'cause we know over there. What do you think you had the most shame can tell you one Christmas morning, my little guy. Came to my bed and he is mommy, Santa came, 

Your breath smells like wine. I'll never forget that. I was like, Ugh, twist it. little moments like that, and I don't certainly have to rehash all of those, but small moments like that, which, you know, people say no regrets. I love that it's the funniest tattoo of all time. But I think you're not being honest.

If you say you don't have regrets about things you did drinking, sad that might have hurt people, hurt yourself. So is that sufficient? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And I think, you know, it's something, it's interesting because I. My method 

one of the things they talk about too is idea of reparations. And I don't believe you have to necessarily go out and tell [00:15:00] everyone that you're sorry for the things you did, but I do think that there is something about repairing that inside of yourself.

Again, it's kind of all the opposite of, doing the work of. Acknowledging that part of you that didn't know and talking, and this is some of the work we did together to the inner child who, letting her know that you are here now and it's okay, and we're moving forward in alignment with, who we wanna be.

love it. Yeah. And that, yeah, I do believe, I know everything happens for a reason, but yeah. There are things I wish didn't happen. Right, exactly. For sure. Absolutely. what was the, you talked about, tell, take us a little bit more into the 90, the after Aruba, when the switch flipped.

Yeah. So that first, 

I signed on to 90 Days Without Alcohol, which meant a weekly, I think it was a weekly Zoom call and they'd put us in breakout rooms with people all on the same [00:16:00] path.

So I had some camaraderie there. And I was ready. sticking with it beyond that 60 days and 90 days and seeing how you physically felt there is something to be said about.

starting to see the world through the rose colored glasses Some people call it the pink cloud. For me, both of those things came and went, but mostly, generally stay. That is how I live my life now. I cannot imagine wanting to lower my vibration with alcohol. 'cause girl, we are vibrating up here now.

Yes. The world is so clear and so beautiful. 

I think for me, once I made it to the 90 days and I had done all that work, I was fait done. I did that and now I'm not looking back. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. 

Yes. And that took practice. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Really asking yourself a very good Mary question, is this true? Mm-hmm. Yeah. This is a thought.

I'm thinking, is this true? And for the [00:17:00] first, six months, I was a part of the luckiest club where they have zooms and people are from all over the world, zooming in. And if I had something to go to that, I got sober officially. My last drink was October 30th, October 31st, I think it was around the winter I went to a holiday party, a month later brand new into not drinking and planning to stick with it again.

Mm-hmm. And I went to a party with an open bar. And I zoomed in and I said to everyone, hi, I'm Nicole. I'm from Boston. I'm going to a open bar realtor networking event and I'm not going to drink. I held myself accountable, by participating in those things. And thoughts would come up, whether it was Christmas time.

Here we are, I hold my own open bar party for my business partners and I had to practice that first December, not drinking. Yeah. 

relying upon the tools and resources I needed to say, okay, I think I wanna drink, but instead I'm gonna have this non-alcoholic, whatever it is. Yeah. one [00:18:00] note about the programs. you mentioned alcohol, not alcohol. AA tells you, you are powerless.

Over alcohol. I recently had a friend who is working on his drinking and he's oh, I've been so good. I let myself have a few beers. I was like, alcohol is not a reward, and you are always good. you are an amazing human, and alcohol is not your reward. and if that's what you think it is, you might as well go join AA and white knuckle at the rest of your life.

Yes. I'm like, we need a coach to help you think this through because you've told me all the things alcohol is negative in your life, so therefore it's not the reward. 

I love Laura Macallen McAllen's book where she talks about when you first start trying to get sober, think of it a little tiny baby. Infant. You you stay home, take things off your calendar.

that's something I did to the best of my ability. I ate a lot. 

you end up overriding your own needs, something that you might naturally not [00:19:00] wanna do.

we were talking about my everyday life now and it is different than when I was drinking. I was very tired every night when I was working, hundreds of hours a week and trying to figure out if my kids are doing their damn homework on the internet.

I would drink and that would give me enough energy to stay up till nine. now my routines are very different. I go to bed and I read a book every night, so I'm not on my phone. I cherish that time. I don't need an alarm clock ever anymore. I wake up with the sun typically before, 'cause it's already dark here on the east coast.

and I go right out and walk my dog. So those are obviously embodying, grounding practices. That I was cyclical riding before. Isn't that funny? I'm tired so I'm gonna have a drink. I did it all the time. 

I'm gonna have you reiterate it. What need do you think you were meeting the most with alcohol you were trying to meet? For me, it was probably the overwhelm. you learn a lot about yourself when big things happen.

I wasn't taking the time [00:20:00] to deal with the overwhelm of life. I do all of the doctor's appointments, I get all the presents for whatever.

I have a sister in the army, I'm sending her stuff overseas. I get the work calls and it's timelines and crunch and, hi, it's Saturday at one and I need a pre-approval by five 'cause my bank's not open. now I'm dropping everything I'm doing to help work. I would say the overwhelm of not being prepared 

My husband and I have had no help With kids. drinking, solved that. Oh my God, I'm overwhelmed. Mental load. I'm gonna check out. I'm gonna check out for a little while.

Have a cocktail or two eat a sleeve of cookies. 'cause now the fuck its have come. And then at 3:00 AM I'm gonna wake up. '

part of that was probably a lot of it too was probably a little bit of a background anxiety about knowing that you had. What the day to come was. Right. Correct. Preparation. 

there are tools we are actually equipped, Nicole talked about the breath. 

[00:21:00] So Nicole identified, okay, what need did I have that wasn't being met? I have this need to relax to release, Okay. The next question is, what does that need, need to hear Nicole tell? So already said it, It's not a problem, Is that true?

So we respond to it, we ask it, we're giving you a little coaching lesson right now, and then what do I do instead? So now Nicole, how do you, and how do you manage this mental overload or this mental load that you carry as a badass mother and professional woman and wife? I said to my husband last night, joking, because I had to go to the grocery store and I go, are you gonna gimme some cash?

He goes, Hey, you're making money. And I go, if you wanna bring out the feminine, you gotta take some masculine things off the plate, honey. But we joke about that. But it's true. 

how do I do it now? Well, my doggie, who's in my little she room here with me, I adore her [00:22:00] and I waited years to get her because I wanted to make sure I could take care of her properly.

But walking with her, just her and I in the morning is One of my favorite things. Reading books for me, scheduling time with friends. I plan things that I have, I like going to comedy shows, so I have a group of friends, that's planned ahead. 

I do start in October with a trainer once or twice a week, so I do like lifting. and that's great.

And I am. Gonna ramp up those races, which went and died back in 2019. 

I love traveling. and I adore my husband, but I have no problem. Doing things without him too. 

Yeah. That's awesome. it sounds like you're, you're doing though, what's working, right? Yeah. we're happy. I'm, every day I wake up happy. Yeah. And how much did eliminating alcohol from your life take down the mental load or at least allow you to Oh, huge.

Yeah. And organize it. if you were at a hundred percent, where [00:23:00] do you feel like I listened to my friend, 

when you take out the conversation of, am I drinking Friday night? Am I not drinking? Do I need to have na, what am I gonna think about drinking?

removing that is removing 20% stress. At least. Yeah. You're taking it down 20% by taking that off the table. Yeah. and then getting the coaching. So I think coaching's important because then you're learning to say all the time, 

this is not a problem everything's okay. and when you don't drink, I can think ahead.

you're more, it sounds your head is more organized. Clear, clear, organized. Yeah. And of course there's, we're human, I'm not gonna pretend every day Is amazing because that's certainly not the case. I still do get overwhelmed, but I have much more capacity to handle it.

Yeah, that's the thing. And sometimes it's not even about having the quote unquote tools, it's that you grow a muscle, you literally expand your capacity for resilience, where things that used to bother you, if you were screaming at people in the road driving, they don't bother you.

Nicole has shared that there's [00:24:00] all these other areas of her life.

alcohol is such a. Beautiful one stop shop because it impacts every area of our life. Therefore, when you solve the problem of alcohol, you're also impacting every area of your life where things were not the way you wanted them to be necessarily. That's so true, Mary. Yeah. How would tell, talk to me a little bit about your mothering.

What's shifted there? what has shifted with my mothering definitely more relaxed and playful, and silly. I have been able to listen to people Dr. Becky. I don't know if you've heard of her. take the advice of, People that are experts at it, because I never was a babysitter.

I didn't aside from being a foster mom, which was being thrust into it when I was young, I didn't have a lot of experience. she says, one thing to tell your kids when they're freaking out is I believe you. That works amazingly. Especially for my older son who's, neurodivergent a bit.

he's feisty. [00:25:00] He wants to be believed, and that one thing, works. presence and clarity. the more you drink, the more you will miss out.

kids say magical things, and as they get older, they come and talk to you, especially at night. And when you're not drinking even one drinks throws your, how you react off. I was, more apt to be whatever. Do whatever you want. Whatever goes after a drink or two. My kids knew it'd be asking him for that second dessert.

now my son comes to me to talk about something and he's a teenager. Bam. I am at attention ready to listen and hear what he has to say. And what's the impact? How does that make you feel? very grateful. Very, very grateful. there's bullying. there's all these things that I remember going through and not feeling supported.

always said it's good to have your own back. I love this thought. I believe you. I think you can say that to yourself too, oh my gosh, I believe you, girl. if you, I wanna ask a couple wrap up questions. If you, 

What would it, what would have been useful to [00:26:00] know in the beginning of your journey that you think could have made things more simple? I believe you probably were saying to me, Nicole, it is possible and I worked with you for a reason.

I was drawn to you out of all the folks out there, to say alcohol will be irrelevant for you someday. I didn't believe it at the time. that can be a big one, for people.

I don't believe that this change is possible for me. I don't believe that there will be a time, it's not something I think about all the time or worry about. there absolutely is. if you could say one thing to that version of you, earlier on when you were I got it.

When you're having all this alcohol exhaustion, what would you say to her?

I would say it's okay, to be honest with someone. perhaps if I was a little more honest with you in the maybe you find someone that's on the same journey at the same time, which is why those groups work 

but find coaching and find support. and be willing to be honest 

It's like, what do I do if, what would I do if you, [00:27:00] I, if you told me that you were drinking nothing, it was you, you, you were a love. And, I enjoyed working with you. Very much enjoyed. 

where you are now in life never would have been possible, had alcohol and any, substances had you not gotten to where you are. Right. You wouldn't have the awareness, the self knowledge, the embodiment of all of that.

'cause without knowing what we don't want, we can't know what we do want. It is. It's beautiful. Is there anything else that you wanna leave the show with? that struck a chord with me because I think in life what can throw us off is major events happening.

Unfortunately people we love are going to pass on. We're going to lose jobs or deals. Do everything you can to get past alcohol, so you can handle those in the best way possible. And use what Mary just said. What a gift. Thank you so much, Mary, a blessing in this world. You are too.

And thank you for being so brave. Oh, I just did wanna ask you [00:28:00] this one more question. What made you decide to come on the show? Because I know, I think earlier on, there were no, I was a hell before. Yes. You were a hell no before. Yeah. So what shifted Shame and embarrassment. 

I'm, I'm shy baseline, 

you're now sharing out loud, Your journey. Yeah. And so there was a shame. Yeah. What shifted wanting to share my story to help other people. And when I first. Posted. at the beginning I didn't wanna share 'cause I didn't wanna fail.

once I knew I was having success and I got past the 90 days and had the rose colored glasses slapped right on my face, never to be taken off, I, realized that there are a lot of people going through the same thing. 

There's a lot of successful women who don't have DUIs. We're crushing it at life, but we are sick of drinking. And so I share, and I've gotten so many messages from people thanking me. asking for resources through my [00:29:00] messages.

I probably know of at least five people who are now not drinking at all. Amazing. and they have thanked me. yeah, I would say that's probably getting over the shame and then wanting to help other people. 

And that is something that, coming, and that's really the difference with coaching, I think is, it really is about you, the willingness to take personal responsibility.

And you did that a hundred percent, even if there was not a hundred percent honesty. And that's part of the journey too. And knowing okay, why am I doing this the whole thing? It's like you still were always willing to take responsibility and knowing that you're the only one that can, can make this change.

And knowing you gotta do the work to make the change too. so thank you everyone for being here. Nicole pointed out so many awesome resources and hopefully we can pull a couple of those and leave them in the show notes. And yeah, Nicole, I'm just so proud of you and thank you so much for being brave to come and share, and continue to share too.

I love following your journey. You're doing such fun things, Mary. Keep up the good work. Thank you. Bye everyone. You're welcome.